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  • Liberkhaos
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    18:33, March 2, 2013

    Pickle786™ has been nominated by the community to become Administrator. You can discuss his nomination here.

    Administrators

    Administrators are members of the community with great knowledge in coding, editing, the wiki's content and Dragonvale itself. Their role is to help the community to function properly as a whole, through the use of tools similar to Wiki Moderators and Chat Moderators, with a few extra ones.


    Administrator User Conduct

    See Help:Administrators for an overview of advanced editing tools available to admins
    • Administrators are responsible for addressing disruption on the wiki by other users, including breaches of civility.
    • A good administrator listens to the opinions of other people in the community and tries to find a way to respond to issues or suggestions whether it is as small simple accidental error in a template or opening a forum for discussion.
    • An administrator's authority is as large as the community would like it to be.
    • Administrators have no right to claim authority over the content and policies of the wiki.
    • Administrators do not own the site. They cannot shut out the opinions of others.
    • Abuse of administrator privileges may result in a removal of user rights after community discussion.
    • Nominees need to show maturity. This includes quality edits, courtesy, and refraining from heavily roleplaying (like wiki "marriage", indulging in "violent acts" toward another user, etc ...)
    • Administrators are expected to show good behavior both here and on other Wikis. As their conduct will be associated with this wiki, a block or ban on another Wiki as much as here could lead to demotion.

    Traits to look for in a potential administrator include, but are not limited to:

    • A kind approach to fellow members of the community.
    • Is helpful to other members of the community by trying to answer questions or complaints.
    • Is familiar with basic editing in source mode on Wikia.
    • Has a well-rounded knowledge of the content in DragonVale
    • Is respected by other members of the community.
    • Is able to work well with others.
    • Seems like their contributions to the DragonVale community would benefit with the administrator specific tools.

    Discussion Procedure

    • Within 24 hours of opening the discussion, the nominee must post a comment providing information as to why s/he is interested in the position and what qualifications s/he has for the role.
    • Within 48 hours of opening the discussion, the Administrator who provided the voucher for the candidate must post a comment providing information as to why s/he supports the candidacy.
    • Anyone is allowed to ask questions to the candidate.
    • Questions must be clear AND related to the Administrator's job.
    • The candidate is expected to answer pertinent questions.
    • RESPECT shall be the word of order at all time. Not agreeing with the candidate being possibly promoted does not allow someone to disrespect that person.
    • A failure from the candidate to answer a question for more than 24hrs during the discussion(candidate shall be asked for availability before-hand) will result in a cancellation of the upcoming vote.
    • After the community discussion has been open for 7 days, one of the current administrators will open the Voting Process, wherein community members can indicate whether they support or oppose the candidacy.
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    • Well, Pickle's proven himself as a capable Wiki Moderator so I have no doubts that he will be an intelligent, mature, friendly and popular admin. Sometimes he can appear a bit too...casual in chat. He might join in when people mess about, or get a bit carried away with things like emote, though I'm sure he can overcome some of these habits. Good luck Pickle ;)

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    • I have know Picks for almost a year now. In this DragonVale wiki, that is a lifetime. Picks is young but he is a constant presence. He is popular, funny, smart, and knowledgeable about the game. Picks is not perfect, but who is? Not many people, besides myself and Dragon trip.

      This being said, Picks should be an administrator. He has earned it. He has my full support and I am very confident Picks will live up to the responsibilities.

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    • ^hilarious post

      But I do agree. Pickle is a very great member of this wiki, he's been commenting on many people's posts. He's a very great trendsetter (avis, 786) so that shows he has a a very great leadership quality (which is what admins need) and he's almost always active. I strongly believe he has what it takes to be an admin :)

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    • Support :)

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    • I might consider supporting this nomination if and when BlueBruin corrects his post above.

      jk, I support this!

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    • 100,01% support, he is the best pickle ever.

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    • Sorry, Lord Nate. You are perfect too.

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    • Support

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    • Pickle will do a great job with this position I 100% support him

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    • Support all the wayUpvote

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    • Double Rainbow support all the way!

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    • I think pickle will make a great admin Upvote

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    • I agree with Ghastly that maybe Pickle is a little too casual in chat, but I think he can be a very helpful and responsible person.  I will definitely support you Pick!  Congratulations!

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    • Hi, Pickle. Since this is intended to be a discussion rather than a vote, I'd like to ask some questions that will help more people on the wiki know you (although I think most of us do) and understand your thoughts about being an Admin. I know you and I have already discussed some of these things privately and that you know my questions are not designed as any kind of "attack" or statement of how I will ultimately vote.

      1-Since becoming a Wiki Mod, what guidelines have you applied when blocking users from the Wiki (since there are not clear guidelines to follow)? How do you make a decision if you are not sure?

      2-Recently, I know you have experienced some frustration feeling that users copy your concepts, either in your coding or creating avatars or similar. Do you feel that the way you have responded to this frustration will still be the same if you become an admin or do you recognize for yourself where you may need/want to change your behaviors? What resources would you use in the future to help you make those changes, if you think they are needed?

      3-We have talked a couple of times about situations where I felt as if you were applying an unwritten rule to people (banning in chat or scolding someone are specifics) based on your interpretation of the rule. While we all do that or might err in that way at times, how do you feel when someone lets you know they disagree with your way of doing something? Are you open to the feedback? Do you discuss it directly with the person you disagree with, or only discuss it with others?

      4-Why do you want to be an Admin? What does it offer to you, personally, that is not available to you as a Wiki Mod?

      5-We have discussed the inconsistent application of rules that we observe here over the past several months, most particularly in relation to the Wikia rule requiring registered users to be at least 13. As an admin will you apply written policies consistently without regard for whether you "like" or "dislike" a user?

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    • I'd just like to say, after seeing what DT has said, that Pickle can sometimes create "rules" in chat that are not the actual policies; one time, a few people were spamming emotes - I was not - and Pickle said that the next person to post an emote would be kicked. I posted an emote at the end of a sentence, about 3 minutes after he had created this "rule", without any spammy intentions, and yet I got kicked even though I had not been spamming emotes, nor really taking part in the previous discussion. The chat policies, I believe, are for single users only. It says that "YOU agree not to...", whereas on this occasion a group of people had been acting against the policies. Why did you think it was appropriate to kick me on this occasion, rather than the offending group? 

      Also, in correspondance to what DT has said, I have noticed inklings from Pickle that he may  like/dislike particular users, and then act in accordance to those feelings. 

      Pickle will also sometimes be a bit...blunt with people. If they don't understand coding, or if they get something wrong in forums, he won't always be particularly kind in explaining where they have gone wrong. 

      I also saw that Pickle had let slip the "under 13" (the one that I so despise >.<). I think that for the last few months, Pickle knew that a particular users was under 13, and yet he did not act and I believe that one of the newer mods had to take it upon themselves to ban this user. I may be mistaken about the final part (and I'm sorry if I am), but over the time that this user was allowed in chat, they may have experienced some discussions that might not have been appropriate for them. 

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    • Ghastly makes a very good point above.  I have noticed inklings of those feelings from Pickle, but I had thought it was only me off in my own little world.  It is good to know that other users have similar feelings.  Upon observing other mods and the like, Pick can seem to be a little blunt to some.  Kindness to other users is a very important piece of this responsibility, and will affect my decision.

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    • I would like to say, that I have never saw pickle do anything like those things mentioned above, I wonder how long ago those things happened, I also want to say that of course it is not nice to be kicked unfairly, you should consider a kick as a warning ;) About the 13 age rule, I never act on that rule, I really dislike that rule tbh and it doesn't make much sense for me as a dutch person to ban people for an american law, so I never did when I was an admin, I am not sure what has been discussed about it lately, but if I remember correctly, when I was admin nearly no-one liked that rule, but we wouldn't stop or argue other staff that wanted to act out that rule. I did however talk to those persons saying that they were under the age of 13, warning them about the rule and saying why the rule is in place.

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    • Hello everyone. If we compare Picks to what a perfect person should do, he will fall short. We all would if we were compared to a perfect person. Instead, we should realize that Picks's strengths far outweigh his flaws. He is a consistent presence at the wiki. He is popular with other users. He is a trendsetter (as someone else mentioned) inspiring many people to join his 786 crew. Picks has patiently worked his way up the chain of responsibility from chat moderator to rollback and now finally to possibly an administrator. As someone who has interacted with him for almost a year, I can't help but feel a measure of pride. After all, it's like  we watched Picks grow up here. He started off a young fellow and now he is married with a job. :)

      Someone who is here on a daily basis will be open to criticism. That is inevitable. But looking at the list of current administrators is almost like perusing a missing persons list. If Picks is made an administrator, we will be giving ourselves a leader who has given much to this community. If we hold Picks back because of his supposed flaws, then we will have established an impossibly high standard few people in the world, much less this wiki, can ever aspire to.

      Picks has my unconditional support.

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    • @Dragon trip

      1. I felt blocking a user or anon was quite hard as we did not any form of guidance whatsoever. I basically blocked according to how severe I thought the wrongdoing was. If it was a massive troll or spam attack, perhaps a week or two block. If the person just vandalizes a couple pages, I might have done a day. It is hard to say that I was fully consistent on these rulings, as I did not have anything to refer to. I do like the procedure one of my fellow Wiki Mods told me about, in which they revert the inappropriate action up to 3 times, and if they do it a fourth time, then they block the offender.
      2. If someone does copy my concept, which they often do, and most likely will continue to do, I do not think that I will respond with the same frustration, whether or not I become an admin. I have come to realize, through talking with a friend, that the only thing that really matters is the self-accomplishment in anything I create. That is one thing I receive, no matter if the person attributes the borrowed idea or claims it as their own. I believe that all I need is to talk to this special individual because I know they understand.
      3. When someone lets me know they disagree with an action I did, I first like to get the bottom of their objection to see if I perhaps did something wrong. As Blue points out, no one (except Blue himself, and DT, Emoticon_silly.png) is perfect, and that mistakes can and will happen. I am always open to feedback, but I do find it rude when the person get accusatory and disrespectful towards me. Discussing it with them is best for me, because it gives me the best way to perceive their view point on the matter and allows me to see if and where I need to make adjustments.
      4. Wiki Mod and Admin are quite similar. I think some of the only things an Admin can do but a Wiki Mod cannot is protect pages, edit MediaWiki, or promote someone, but I know there are a couple more. If I become an Admin, there are two things I would especially like to use my tools for. The first is to have the Community Corner, on the Wiki Activity, remain updated with new information, and discussion or voting forum links. That simply keeps the community up to date. The second is that I would be able to help users with blog posts’ coding more easily. Users in Chat always send Private Messages to me about help regarding coding on their blogs, and it’s hard for me to do the coding in chat. I can merely explain how to do it or use a sandbox, but things can get lost if the person does not understand Source Mode, or something. Being able to edit the blog itself would be a great help for myself and the person asking for coding advice because I could act directly and make necessary changes quickly and effectively.
      5. As an admin, I would apply the age 13 rule as consistently as possible. It is not my choice whether or not I like a user, because they are violating a major Wikia Terms of Use rule. If I find out someone is underage, I block/ban them, but if they have been here for months and behaved, I talk to my fellow Admins and Wiki Mods in order to see what they thought was the best form of action, and will continue to do so.
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    • Essiw wrote:
      I would like to say, that I have never saw pickle do anything like those things mentioned above, I wonder how long ago those things happened, I also want to say that of course it is not nice to be kicked unfairly, you should consider a kick as a warning ;)


      Essi: This actually happened quite recently Essi, about a month and a bit ago. And also...a warning of what? I did nothing - I did not take part in the mass-spam, I did not even get involved with the discussion. Pickle acted in a way that I believe was not right and was not in accordance of the chat policies. I've seen him act in similar ways before (let me make this clear that it is not a common occurence). Pickle will create his own "rules" that are not the policies, and people who are, if you like, "innocent" might be acted upon. 

      Pickle: I've just got a few questions ;)

      1. How would you ensure that you do not let personal opinions about any user, whatever the situation may be, affecting how you act around the wiki?

      2. How would you change how you behave in chat if you become an adminstrator? Do you feel that you are acting adequately as a chat moderator already? 

      3. How would you ensure that what happened to me (see previous posts) would not happen again? Or do you feel that introducing rules that may not appear in the chat policies help you control chat more easily?

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    • @Ghastly, I meant that many people see kicks as a mild ban, while it is in fact just a warning ;) I didn't mean to say that you were correctly kicked. I was not there so I cannot say anything about it and if it happened correctly or not.

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    • Oh, ok :)

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    • i support pick :P

      -ED

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    • Dill, thank you for taking time to answer my questions so thoroughly and candidly.

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    • Under 13 Policy

      Anyone who has taken time to research or discuss the very touchy Under 13 Policy (COPPA) with WIKIA would find that they highly encourage local admins to let WIKIA handle it if the local admins do not have a clear & concise method for handling it.

      As this wiki is based on an app that is broadly directly at young & old, it is inevitable to have many users of the younger demographic, below the age 13 policy.

      We do not have a team of staff who all feel comfortable in taking action against any/every user who is/claims to be under age 13, so unless it becomes a valid issue, no actions should be taken beyond notifying WIKIA of a possible underage user.

      Therefore, I feel that using this as a point against (or even in favor) a candidate for any staff position is invalid.

      Blanket Warnings

      Given the scenario described by Ghastly where a group of users were being spammy with overuse of emoticons, I believe that Pickle was correct in his use of what I call a blanket warning and subsequent kick.

      If at any time a group of individuals are creating an atmosphere of disorder through spam, inappropriate discussion, etc, then a Chat Moderator should issue a general warning to all and if any individual, involved or not, makes any contribution in opposition of the warning, they have already been sufficiently warned and are not exempt from further action. The severity of further actions should of course be based upon overall involvement. I believe a simple kick was sufficient and not unreasonable.

      Final Thoughts

      While I have been mostly inactive among chat and on the activity feed, I have spent more time than I care to recall around Pickle on this wiki and others. He has strong potential to make a good admin and that is why he has my full support.

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    • Thank you Nate for clearing up the Blanket Warnings, that is a very good point.

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    • GhastlyKhaos wrote:

      Pickle: I've just got a few questions ;)

      1. How would you ensure that you do not let personal opinions about any user, whatever the situation may be, affecting how you act around the wiki?

      2. How would you change how you behave in chat if you become an adminstrator? Do you feel that you are acting adequately as a chat moderator already? 

      3. How would you ensure that what happened to me (see previous posts) would not happen again? Or do you feel that introducing rules that may not appear in the chat policies help you control chat more easily?


      @GhastlyKhaos
      1. I do not let personal opinion affect any judgement of mine on the wiki, so I do not think that will be a problem.
      2. I do not think I need to change the way I act in chat, as I follow the chat policies and make sure everyone else in chat does too.
      3. I did not introduce any unwritten rules, I simply used the easiest method available to stop a group from spamming. Your choice to join in was yours, and yours alone. As Nate said, it was a Blanket Warning, which affects everyone in the chat. I also want to point out that I learned this practice from other chat moderators, from this wiki, in which they used this method when people in chat were constantly shouting out country names for the Olympics back in August, and their favorite Gemstone Dragon back in September. I did not create it. Emoticon_hmm.png
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    • I just want to make sure I have answered all questions up to this point, so if there was a question I did not answer, I am requesting the questioner to re-post the question in order to avoid confusion.

      Thank you =]

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    • Okay so I guess this is my time to scribe some questions. My exams for the week are done so I can type up an unmarked essay yet again. Kidding aside, I have some questions for you. These are from a user who has always been as active (at least in the site) as you are, so I believe you don’t mind me being critical with you.

      Firstly, what do you think is the relevance of “main space edits” into someone’s worthiness of being a staff member? Before the new staff membership process has been finalized, I saw you edit over 100+ pages and only been adding spaces (or removing clear templates). I am not even going to ask you what your purpose was for this matter, but I am curious about what you did over someone’s nomination/voting process. You opposed someone and linked his Edit Count. And as unsurprisingly as it was, a lot of people opposed the user just because you linked them to the user’s edit count. A little vindication about this wouldn’t hurt me.

      Secondly, how are you going to handle the “block tool” that you have now, upon becoming an Admin soon? I know our position, Wiki Moderators, is a fairly new position, and that we didn’t have a proper orientation as to what we do, so I can’t really blame you if you use your tools upon basing with your own standards and measures. However, I saw you block a user once just because he vandalized (with 1 edit). Didn’t you think twice about handling this better? I just saw how you now have a “measurement” about a user’s action. If he did it thrice, it’s a block. But this wasn’t my concern. My concern was when you proudly shouted to the world that you blocked someone (in chat). This is not to be celebrated about. It may be just from being excited that you blocked someone for the first time, but that doesn’t mean that we kid ourselves about this. I am just concerned that upon becoming an Admin, with us not having the proper orientation, that the tools that you will be given will be uprooted in the wrong direction.

      Thirdly, what do you think have you done to deserve the Admin-ship position? This comes from a very blatant approach, and I really mean it to be a blatantly straight forward question. I have seen you as a very helpful user in terms of editing, and of course, being popular; however, I have yet to see you become a mature user who really does what his position is about: to moderate the site. I don’t really care if you do “blanket rules” -- whatever they are -- in chat, but really, sometimes you break them yourself. Also, I don’t think doing automated “Chat Ban” responses are a good thing. I want to see you as how I see Admins: mature and true moderators. If you can actually answer me with things I am not seeing, I would gladly “un-waver” these concerns I’m having.

      Lastly, what could have happened wrong, if you stayed as a Wiki Moderator for a little while? This question is off from my critical analysis. This is personally opinionated by me. You can answer it in two ways. You can either tell me why you aspire to become an admin, or tell me what reasons you have for not staying as a Wiki Moderator and just be an Admin, after only being 1 month +/- of having new tools to be responsible for.

      Thanks for the space and I will be waiting for your response. ~

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      ...But this wasn’t my concern. My concern was when you proudly shouted to the world that you blocked someone (in chat). This is not to be celebrated about. It may be just from being excited that you blocked someone for the first time, but that doesn’t mean that we kid ourselves about this. I am just concerned that upon becoming an Admin, with us not having the proper orientation, that the tools that you will be given will be uprooted in the wrong direction.</p>


      Sorry, I just wanted to say something in response to what Justin said about Pickle "celebrating" bans: I actually saw a post on Twitter, by Pickle, saying something along the lines of "I just banned my first anon -_-". I'm not sure what to really say about this....

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    • @ghastly, I am not sure what you are trying to say, there is nothing bad about saying you banned an anon, if you notice the smiley it doesn't say that he is happy about it.

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    • @essi Surely it doesn't need to be shared on Twitter though? It's not something that should need to be commented on.

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    • I think using what Pickle writes on Twitter against or for his case is bordering on the ridiculous. Shall we find out what Pickle had for dinner last night? How did Pickle behave during his college classes this past week. Has he been faithful to Bree? Where does it end? The bottom line is Pickle has been a solid member of this community and he has paid his dues. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My observation here is that most people's opinion is that Pickle deserves the opportunity to become an administrator and I feel time will prove our support to be well-placed.

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    • As you say for the third time Blue...

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    • Ghastly, with this post, your number of statements here still outnumber me 7 to 5.

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    • I haven't expressed the same opinion every time, and finished every post with "I support Pickle" etc. - I've asked questions, I've added to other people's comments with my own experiences. All I seem to be able to see from you is the same opinion over and over again >.>

      As to what you say about the Twitter, how would you feel if Pickle said to the world "I've just banned BlueBruin77 -_-" - stuff like that just doesn't really need to be said, and whoever he says it about could be offended.

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    • Ok, if we want to be technical:

      My 1st statement: My original statement of support for Picks

      My 2nd statement: Clarification to state that I hold iNate in high esteem as well.

      My 3rd statement: My unsolicited response to concerns brought up by people regarding Picks. These people include Dragon trip and you (Ghastly).

      My 4th statement: My response directly to the concerns you (Ghastly) brought up regarding Picks's use of Twitter.

      My 5th statement: My response to you (Ghastly) regarding the number of statements I made compared to you.

      Your 1st statement: A statement of praise and some concerns regarding Picks.

      Your 2nd statement: A statement of some new concerns regarding Picks.

      Your 3rd statement: Questions for Picks.

      Your 4th statement: A short response to Essiw.

      Your 5th statement: New concerns regarding Picks.

      Your 6th statement: Repeating the same new concerns regarding Picks.

      Your 7th statement: A post used to tell me I posted three times.

      Your 8th statement: Repetition of two opinions made before.

      Let me clarify a few points here. You are entitled to your opinion and to state it as much as you'd like. Picks certainly isn't perfect. As you are free to share your thoughts, I am also free to respond with my own opinions and as often as I see fit. Unless you stop talking and I write two more posts after this, you'll remain post leader on this discussion here. Until then, your charges of me posting too often hold little weight with me. Also, if you would stop bringing up new concerns regarding Picks, I would stop writing new responses to them. It's quite simple.

      With this being said, let me answer your question about Twitter. If Picks wrote on Twitter "I just banned BlueBruin77 ROFLMAO", I would be upset. But notice Picks used the expression -_- which to me expresses sadness or disappointment. In addition, Picks banned an anonymous person and did not name a specific person. So your concern about this one Twitter message does not change my opinion of Picks. If anything, it makes me see that he takes his responsibilities here very seriously.

      In closing, it appears I've written a book compared to your chapter. I can be wordy like that. Again, I value your freedom to post how you feel just as I value my right to respond. Dialogue is good. You know what's even better? Having Picks as an administrator. SUPPORT.

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    • -_- = sadness or disappointment? I swear it's always been used as a "not amused" thing... At least, that's how I've seen practically the whole community use it throughout chat and the forums. 

      It should never make a difference if a user is anonymous or if he doesn't name them specifically - this person will still know who they are and they would feel upset. ESPECIALLY if it was perhaps a newer user who might not be used to the concept of banning and might not be aware of the mistake they made. All I'm saying is that on this occasion, Pickle didn't appear to take the feelings of the anons' into consideration - they would have known who they are if they read it. Just becuase everyone else doesn't know who "x" may be, doesn't mean that they don't know it's him they're talking about. 

      I know that someone is gonna say something like "The chances of them reading it are tiny" - all they would have to do is type in DragonVale Wiki into the Twitter search bar and it would come up with that tweet. 

      I agree that dialogue is good. Do you what's even better? An administrator who values the feelings of everyone, whatever their status may be.

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    • I agree -_- arguably means not amused. So you feel Picks was not amused that he banned an anonymous person? I'm just not understanding what is so bad about posting what he posted as he did not appear to be gloating about it.

      As far as caring about people's feelings. I highly doubt someone would see Picks's Twitter feed and immediately know Picks was absolutely talking about that person. Too many people get banned from DV. At best, it's a stretch. I actually feel what Picks has done and said does demonstrate that he values the feelings of everyone. I think the fact that there is overwhelming support of Picks's body of work over time here in this discussion is proof of that.

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    • "My 3rd statement: My unsolicited response to concerns brought up by people regarding Picks. These people include Dragon trip..."

      The above statement from Blue Bruin does not reflect the intent of my post. I asked Pickle questions. I did not mean for these to be construed as concerns I have regarding Pickle.

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    • Pickle has my full Support!

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    • GhastlyKhaos wrote:
      It should never make a difference if a user is anonymous or if he doesn't name them specifically - this person will still know who they are and they would feel upset. 

      Wait, you know how many anons we have and how many I had to ban daily when I was an admin? I highly doubt that an anon which is banned from this wiki goes to search online for a twitter account of the mod that banned him. Furthermore I think twitter is something that should not be discussed here, as it is far off the wiki. But that is just my opinion.

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    • Dragon trip wrote: "My 3rd statement: My unsolicited response to concerns brought up by people regarding Picks. These people include Dragon trip..."

      The above statement from Blue Bruin does not reflect the intent of my post. I asked Pickle questions. I did not mean for these to be construed as concerns I have regarding Pickle.

      I strand corrected, Dt. My apologies. I guess the concerns about Picks, strange as they are to me, come merely from one ghastly fellow. :)

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    • I agree that the"not amused", disappointed, or whatever-you-want face was not meant to be an expression of joy.  I am not sure why one would share that on Twitter, but...don't get me started on social networking sites.  However, I agree with Essiw that this is slightly unrelated and we should try to pull the conversation away from Twitter and back to questions etc. for Pick.

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    • BlueBruin77 wrote:

      I guess the concerns about Picks, strange as they are to me, come merely from one ghastly fellow. :)
      
      Yeah...I don't find that very funny Blue.
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    • BlueBruin77 wrote: I strand corrected, Dt. My apologies. I guess the concerns about Picks, strange as they are to me, come merely from one ghastly fellow. :)

      I don't find that very funny Blue, I should be able to express concerns without having my name poked fun at, and I should have those opinions respected. Personally, I find calling my personal concerns "strange" is a bit offensive, whether it's a joke or not.

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    • GhastlyKhaos, you are right that you should be able to express concerns without being made fun of and your opinions should be respected. I think I have made that very clear here even before your most recent post. Now, if you wish for your opinions to be respected, then surely you must respect my opinion that your concerns are strange to me. I chose my words very carefully. I did not say your concerns were strange as if that was a fact. I said your concerns were strange to me, as in that is my opinion. In fact, by telling you my honest opinion about your concerns, I am giving you my ultimate respect. I would be disrespecting you if I kept how I really felt about your concerns to myself.

      As for referring to you as a "ghastly" fellow, I apologize. Like I said before, I respect you so I will simply refer to you by your self-given name from now on. I observe now that you seem quite sensitive to a lot of things (again, my opinion, and not a universal fact). I think, in my very humble and personal opinion, that you will do well to be less sensitive and take less things to heart.

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    • Guys as much as I would want you both to disclose this misunderstanding between your opinions, I am asking you to solve it on each other's discussion boards (I.e message walls).

      This is surely not the place for other users to discuss unnecessary things, with regards to Pickle's nomination discussion. So please treat this thread as a thread mainly for asking and answering portions with respect to Pickle's nomination.

      As a side note, Pickle, I am very sorry to ask you as blatant as this, but you should be answering my questions for you now (by today). There is a rule that when a question is not answered for about 24-hours of notice, the voting process will be halted.

      I have reminded you about this on all the occasions out times meet since I posted my questions. Thanks and this is to not jeopardize the rule we have about the nominating/voting process of staff members. Do not take this as a personal offence. ~

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    • The One,

      As usual, you are right. I will stop addressing GhastlyKhaos's statements here, strange as they may be to me. This thread should be about Pickle and Pickle only. I hope Pickle will post his responses to you soon so the voting process can resume.

      Sincerely,

      BlueBruin77

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    • This discussion is now closed. You go go vote here.

      EDIT: This thread is temporarily reopened for one last question to be answered(NO ONE ELSE than Pickle is to reply please)

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    • Firstly, I wanted to say that for some odd reason, my account was unable to utilize any of Wikias features except for viewing content, and that too crashed and glitched out multiple times. I was unable to reply to anything, use any drop-down-arrow, the chat system or the wiki navigation header, or even view thread post details. I could not view a single image on any page … These technical difficulties occurred from usage on both a computer and iPad, and were used from my home. All page navigation to different pages on the wiki was done through the URL or Random Page button. I was able to read the posts on this thread, however, (I cannot do any Kudos …) but had to type this through the Microsoft Word program and will be posting them as soon as I return from school. Hopefully all goes well and everything will be okay; sorry about surpassing the answering “deadline” but I had no way to respond. (I am not sure if anyone else was affected on Wikia, though, so that is why I am posting this brief explanation.)


      “’’’ what do you think is the relevance of “main space edits” into someone’s worthiness of being a staff member?’’’”
      
      I feel main space edits do play an important role on someone’s worthiness of becoming a staff member, but that certainly is not the sole aspect in promoting. Others include knowledge of basic and advanced coding, knowledge of DragonVale Wiki content and DragonVale in-game content, and of course dedication and being active.
      Although I do not believe anyone should have to explain their ‘’explanation’’ of their vote if they do not want to (especially since it is a vote, not a discussion), as the voting forum clearly states that a “small explanation of your vote can be provided but people aren't expected to answer to it.” I will explain my explanation anyways: I the person’s edit count because I did not believe he actually qualified for the position of Wiki Mod. In order for a new user to become a Wiki Mod, a user must have first been a Rollback, and to become a Rollback the user must have had a minimum of 50 main space edits. The user in question here did not have 50 main space edits; in fact, they had 24 if my memory serves me correctly, and he was only a Rollback because he had previously been a Custodian. I did not feel the user had not achieved the necessary qualifications for another promotion at the time. Other factors that contributed to my voting were how active the user was, and I did not vote the way I did because I had a personal vendetta against him.
      About my edits, yes I have been editing a bit of formatting recently, but those are still quality edits. I was recently focused on contributing to revise note structure and sequence if I saw any discrepancies, formatting the page to achieve a uniform layout, and adding the Navigation template to places where they were not. If fixing up wiki pages don’t even qualify as quality edits, what does?
      “’’’ how are you going to handle the “block tool” that you have now, upon becoming an Admin soon?’’’”
      
      Firstly, I wanted to say that originally I was trying to figure out a consistent way to block users based on their offenses, and I still am perfecting it, as we have no guidelines, and I did indeed block quite quickly. This is probably because a year ago, when I was an anon, I was blocked for telling someone that Rainbow and Sun breed to become Moon. I did not have the dragons and I answered them to the best of my ability, but I was still banned for a week on the basis of “trolling” (it actually took me a little while to figure out why I couldn’t comment or post anything … hey, did someone block me today? lol jk). I know times change, but due to not having any form of rules, it started off a bit hard to determine ban lengths and conditions, until a very helpful Wiki Mod told me her “procedure,” and I have adopted it. I may modify it eventually, but it is working well for me as of now.
      In regards to this jubilant announcement that seems to have come up: I honestly have no recall of this event in chat, so I assume it was not as big as everyone seems to make it out to be. I find it quite possible to have said it in chat, but proudly shouting to the world? I just felt happiness in being able to help the wiki in even another aspect (stopping users from vandalizing/spamming/trolling). I don’t think that’s so wrong, and I know I would not celebrate this sort of thing. Plus, I am quite certain I have not anything in this sort of manner since; I actually try to stop the chat from discussing bans/blocks in chat because it is not the place for that sort of thing. I do understand my fault, but I think you perceived my action in a different manner then what was intended.
      Ghastly, honestly, Essiw has a point there about Twitter. Plus, Wikia is Wikia. We aren’t supposed to bring a conflict from one wiki to another, nonetheless one from an external source. It is my personal Twitter account; I think I have the right to post whatever I feel like without conflict from Wikia, but this is just my personal opinion on the matter.
      “’’’ what do you think have you done to deserve the Admin-ship position’’’”
      
      I think I have dedicated a considerable amount of time to the wiki. I have been here for almost a year now, and if I am indeed promoted to Admin, I probably would have worked the longest time for it. I edit pages regularly, help users daily, and am on chat regularly. To say I do not moderate the wiki is simply false, because I am always on when I am not doing schoolwork or sports. To say I am immature is also quite false, because although I like to play around and have fun, I am always serious and professional when I need to be. Who wants some strict, unfriendly administrator, that can’t take a joke and everyone is really just afraid of. I definitely do not, and I definitely will not act that way.
      I only use auto-mated chat ban messages when I feel the action fits under exactly what the message says, which actually isn’t that often. I usually just leave a message regarding what was done wrong, why it is considered inappropriate, how long they are banned for, and to review the Chat Policies. I don’t think I need much more than that, really.
      Saying I break chat policies as if I do it often and am the only staff member to have ever done so is total ludicrous. I know for certain that virtually all staff members and mostly Admins have cursed, spammed or in otherwise broken a Chat Policy at some time, including yourself, Justin. I might post an emoticon after another person does, but if that becomes spammy I end it quickly and I do not do so often.
      I just wanted to point out that I no longer see Admins on our wiki regularly if at all anymore, so to say they are “true moderators” when they are barely on the site can’t be considered accurate at the moment. Sorry, but it’s the current truth.
      “’’’ what could have happened wrong, if you stayed as a Wiki Moderator for a little while?’’’”
      
      I aspire to become an Admin to help the wiki. At this moment, we really don’t have a consistent, active Admin with us. I want users to have an Admin that is almost always available. Also, as I said to DT, I want to be able to help users with their blogs, as they ask me for coding advice very often, and also to be able to update our Community Corner to keep our community up to date on events. There are other benefits of becoming an Admin as well, but those are two I am specifically looking forward to.
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