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  • AndyKhaos
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    23:42, April 14, 2016

    James the Emerald Dragon has received sufficient support to be nominated Wiki Moderator. You can discuss this nomination here.

    Wiki Moderators

    Wiki Moderators are members of the community with added tools to help the community. They work closely with Administrators to fight against vandalism, spamming and trolls.

    Wiki Moderators are given the following tools:

    • Block other users from editing
    • Rollback spam and vandalism
    • Edit and Delete Comments
    • Delete unnecessary images
    • Delete and undelete content pages
    • Move files


    Wiki Moderators User Conduct

    In addition to page edits made as Wiki members, Wiki Moderators will:

    • Delete inappropriate images. These include vulgar, pornographic, racist, or offensive images or images that are unused for an extended period of time.
    • Remove any unambiguous spam or vandalism to content pages. Spam may include any comment added that does not pertain to the page content (such as "random comment", "first comment", etc.)
    • Remove or edit vulgar, abusive or derogatory comments.
    • Remove or edit Game Center requests that violate policy limiting multiple entries on Friends page or any entry on content pages.
    • Edit comments containing excessive punctuation, capitalization or emoticons. Users are expected to limit usage of "all caps", punctuation or emoticons to no more than 2-3 occurrences in a comment.
    • Delete comments clearly placed on the wrong page (i.e., discussion of obtaining a Topaz dragon on the Rainbow dragon page when there is no connection made between the two).
    • Remove user names and formatted signatures from comments.
    • Remove comments that are considered spam under Wiki policy (i.e., excessive repetition or have no relation to the page topic).
    • Consult with administrators to determine if comment trails have become excessively argumentative or spam-filled. Actions taken when such determination is made will include adding a comment indicating that the thread must end and that subsequent comments will be deleted or, in certain circumstances, deleting all comments in the thread.
    • Make every effort to notify users of comments that are changed, either by adding edit notes within the comment or leaving a message for registered users on the user wall.
    • Block users who blatantly and voluntarily spam or troll the Wiki.
    • Wiki Moderators need to show maturity. This includes quality edits, courtesy, and refraining from heavily roleplaying (like wiki "marriage", indulging in "violent acts" toward another user, etc ...)
    • Wiki Moderators are expected to show good behavior both here and on other Wikis. As their conduct will be associated with this wiki, a block or ban on another Wiki as much as here could lead to demotion without further notice.


    Discussion Procedure

    • Within 24 hours of opening the discussion, the nominee must post a comment providing information as to why s/he is interested in the position and what qualifications s/he has for the role.
    • Within 48 hours of opening the discussion, the Wiki Mod or Administrator who provided the voucher for the candidate must post a comment providing information as to why s/he supports the candidacy.
    • Anyone is allowed to ask questions to the candidate.
    • Questions must be clear AND related to the Wiki Moderator's job.
    • The candidate is expected to answer pertinent questions.
    • RESPECT shall be the word of order at all time. Not agreeing with the candidate being possibly promoted does not allow someone to disrespect that person.
    • A failure from the candidate to answer a question for more than 24hrs during the discussion(candidate shall be asked for availability before-hand) will result in a cancellation of the upcoming vote.
    • After the community discussion has been open for 7 days, one of the current administrators will open the Voting Process, wherein community members can indicate whether they support or oppose the candidacy.



    This discussion will remain open until the end of the day on April 13, 2016 (23:59:59 UTC).
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    • Here are some general questions, some of which I've asked in other staff nomination discussions:


      1) If the Century Dragon were to race against the Bloom Dragon, who would win the race?

      2) If you think a user has violated one of the Wiki Rules and Policies how would you handle this?

      3) What if it occurred on multiple occasions or is a multiple offense?

      4) What if it is the first time but multiple rules and policies were violated?

      5) Which decoration do you prefer the Emerald Triquetra or Kairos Klepsydra?

      6) If a friend violates the Wiki Rules and Policies how would you approach the situation?

      7) What if the person violating a rule or policy is a fellow staff member?

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    • Firstly, I would like to congratulate James on being nominated as wiki mod! I vouched for you because I believe you have potential and will be an important part of the community. You have shown dedication towards editing and helping the wiki to make it a better place. You also show a lot of knowledge towards editing the templates and pages, as well as helping the other users solve their coding issues, which a wiki mod should be able to do. 

      However, although you show potential and knowledge for editing, editing is not the only part of becoming a wiki mod. You also need to interact with the other users more (not only staff members), and gain their trust. Often, you come into chat, and ignore the greetings your fellow users give you, which gives off the impression that you're being rude, perhaps even arrogant. You also make little to no attempt at small talks between your fellow users, which causes them to not trust you, because they know nothing about you. Why would you want to be a staff member if you can’t even gain their trust? I know that you often come into chat to ask questions to staff members (which is a good thing), but you need to learn that you can’t get away with just talking to staff members. 

      This leads me to ask: Why do you think you deserve being a wiki mod? I know you work hard and ask lots of questions, which is a good start. However, why do you deserve this? As I’ve said on Wolfie’s post, being a wiki mod is not just about commenting and editing. 

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    • Bane's Question:

      1) The Bloom Dragon would win as it would be more faster than the Century Dragon.

      2) I would handle by first issuing a warning to the user and later a block to the user if the violations of the policies continue.

      3) If this occured on multiple occasions, then I would also post a warning and a block to every user involved and revert probably the edits back to normal.

      4) If it was the first time that it occured and multiple rules and policies were violated, then it would be more severe since the actions are causing more harm to the wiki and the wiki is not for violating policies and vandalism.

      5) I prefer the Kairos Klepsydra because the theme on the decoration is time which it takes a while to know the Wiki Moderator Role.

      6 & 7) If a friend violated the Rules and Policies however, depending on the severity of the edits, I would issue to them a warning as well and even if they are a staff member, I would say that the behavior is unacceptable and issue a block to the user if it continues.

      Cloudy's Questions: I deserve the Wiki Moderator Position because the position will make me contribute futhur well on the wiki by trying to keep the Wiki in good condition as possible, as well as trying to prevent spam and vandalism as much as possible using the Block Tool in the position. After also being a rollback for a long time since December 2014, a few months later, I was interested in the Wiki Moderator role, as I feel the rollback position didn't have many tools, other than just reverting vandalism and spam. But as I went on in the years, I realized that a Wiki Moderator isn't just about editing. It involves keeping the Wiki up to date, preventing vandalism, and trying to help users as much as possible. Therefore, I think I should become a good Wiki Moderator.

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    • James, I don't think you answered Eme's question... SPECIFICALLY about you barely being active on chat. Like Eme pointed out (and I recently haven't been as active either so I feel a bit hypocritical saying this but nevertheless) you barely even talk to anyone on chat. Every time you come on I greet you and after that you basically ignore me... so I feel Eme is justified in saying that you come off as arrogant whenever you enter chat. I would just like to know why you never talk to us anymore.

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    • Beg217 wrote: James, I don't think you answered Eme's question... SPECIFICALLY about you barely being active on chat. Like Eme pointed out (and I recently haven't been as active either so I feel a bit hypocritical saying this but nevertheless) you barely even talk to anyone on chat. Every time you come on I greet you and after that you basically ignore me... so I feel Eme is justified in saying that you come off as arrogant whenever you enter chat. I would just like to know why you never talk to us anymore.

      Basically, I mainly have to focus on keeping the wiki up to date by asking Staff Members if they can update various templates, switches, and other things that need to be resolved on the wiki. But because I mainly focus on the Private Message from the user, I sometimes forget to greet users in chat and this is something I will definately do in the future. This was a mistake, not on purpose, that I can do easily in the future.

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    • I see, thank you for your answers. Good Luck! 

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    • Congratulations on the nomination, James.

      I do have some questions regarding the role that I also asked in Wolfie's discussion.


      1. What are the qualities that you personally think a Wiki Moderator should have?
      2. Do you think that you currently possess these qualities? If not, what steps will to take to demonstrate them?
      3. How important do you feel these qualities are to the Wiki Moderator position?
      4. What is one quality that you currently do not possess, but you wish that you did?
      5. Do you feel that the qualities demonstrated by any user, not just Wiki Moderators, contribute to the character of person and how so?
      6. What does being a Wiki Moderator mean to you?
      7. Do you personally feel that you possess the knowledge and maturity required for this position?
      8. How ready do you feel with this position, and, more importantly, why?
      9. Describe how you feel the gained tools will help you better connect to the community.
      10. Which tool do you feel would be the most and least beneficial for you?
      11. Why do you want to become a Wiki Moderator?
      12. You have been nominated before in the past. Describe why this nomination is different.
      13. What challenges do you think you may come across if you were to become a Wiki Moderator and how will you deal with such challenges?
      14. Would you change how you behave in chat if you become a Wiki Moderator, and if so, how?
      15. What is the importance of forming relationships with members of the wiki?


      I know that is a lot of questions, but nevertheless important questions. Please take your time with answering.

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    • All of my questions have been asked in privous comments. Just wanted to wish James good luck, think ya cold make a good wiki mod 

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    • After thinking about the questions for a little bit, I have come up with several good answers.

      1: The main quality I feel a Wiki Moderator should have are is Maturity. While becoming a staff member can be quite hard to accomplish one day as a user, Maturity is definitely one factor a wiki moderator should possess. While the opposite side of showing maturity would be like making non-quality edits, making comments in all caps, and being generally rude would not make the list, the good side of showing maturity would be things like making quality edits, helping users (and or new users) as much as possible, which is one of the most important positions of a Wiki Moderator, to help keep the wiki actively a Free-Edit zone, and to prevent spam and vandalism from the wiki as well. Another quality a Wiki Moderator should have is to help new users and everyone as much as possible. Like the Admin position, which is basically the top position of a staff member, a Wiki Moderator needs to be like the Admin, actively answering questions toward users that may have trouble doing several things, such as removing or editing comments, edit several pages with immense coding, and even update pages or make other useful things. These two qualities are to me, what a Wiki Moderator should possess to become successful.

      2: I think I do currently possess these qualities.

      3: Like I said in Question 1, these qualities should be considered to be very important for the Wiki Moderator position because if a Wiki Moderator were to be rude, or to not help (new) users, then problems would occur with the importance of being a wiki moderator in the first place.

      4: As far as qualities go, I seem to be good at informing staff members about things that may need to be updated on the wiki, to make thins on the wiki up to date and not behind. I usually do this on chat in Private Messages, as so nothing will get messy in the Main Chat Room. Coding is one of the main qualities as well as I forgot to mention about being a wiki moderator. If there are a lack of wiki moderators online currently and you must get something code-related done, such as making a Switch, or adding something to the Dragonbox template, it would have to be done quickly, and not to fail at it. I feel that I can possess this quality the more I get to become used to the Wiki Moderatoe position.

      5: I feel that the qualites do contribute to the character of any person as the qualities that the user has determines on if they can work with complicated things on the wiki. They can be important as well.

      6: To me, a wiki moderator means that the user has the ability to perform more actions on the wiki more than just a standard Rollback, with just having the reverting of Spam and Vandalism. It is way more important to the Rollback position as not only you have to focus on just Vandalism and Spam, but also the same thing in comments, images, pages, and issuing blocks to any user on the wiki.

      7: I personally feel that I do possess the knowledge and maturity required for the Wiki Moderator because the more and more content that becomes available in the game itself makes the editing of Coding more like an everyday thing and practicing coding as well prior to the position makes me know what's required for the position and same with the maturity, by leaving helpful comments and answers in response to users, it again, becomes an everyday thing on the wiki.

      8: I feel that I am defintely ready for the Wiki Moderator position because when I officialy nominated myself for this position back in October 2015, I seemed to lack the required amount of coding and maturity for the wiki moderator position. Now that I have been practicing this in November, December, January, February, and March, I now feel I am defintely ready for the position.

      9: The tools in the Wiki Moderator position will help me better connect to the community because I will have more tools to use to prevent Spam and Vandalism instead of just removing it from pages using a special tool that instantly reverts the vandalism and spam from the pages. But in the Wiki Moderator, it will take the use of tools for me a few steps furthur in also adding editing Comments uploaded by other users, deleting inappropriate images by other users, and issuing blocks to users that keep up with the Spam and Vandalism. The new tools will also enable me to edit protected pages, such as the Announcements template, and the Game Updates, which tends to get outdated by a day or two occasionally. But this will enable to get the job done when a wiki moderator or admin isn't present at the time.

      10: The tool that I feel that is the least beneficial to me would have to be the Moving Files tool as it would be quite uncommon to need to rename a file, and the most beneficial to me would have to be the editing and deleting comments because almost everyday, there would mostly be spam located in comments that need to edited in order to prevent the unfriendliness of the wiki.

      11: The reason why I want to become a Wiki Moderator is because I want to make the site so there is no Spam or Vandalism found anywhere by using the set of additional tools that are in the position instead of just rollbacking spam and vandalism in a Rollback position. It would make the Wiki Moderator position more interesting to use rather than the Rollback position.

      12: This nomination is different than the past nomination in October because I have improved in a variety of qualities with the slight maturity and more attempts of making coding better. I also improved asking questions to Staff Members a lot unlike before in October. It is also different because instead of nominating myself for Wiki Moderator last time, another user went ahead and nominated me as they thought I was ready for the position, which is different for nominating yourself.

      13: Some challenges I may come across in the Wiki Moderator position would have to be if there were a large number of comments that contained spam in them in the past several hours, it would require me to use the "Recent Wiki Activity" to find the comments that had the spam in them and edit or delete them to make them better with no excessive caps, punctuation, or Game Center names found in pages other than the Friends or Cooperative Breeding Requests pages.

      14: I would change how I behave in chat as I would greet users upon joining the chat and about to leave the Chat Room as with all the questions i've been asking to Staff Members in Private Messages, I've forgot to see if users joined or left the chat in the main room. I would change how I would handle this in the Rollback currently, and the Wiki Moderator position.

      15: The importance of forming relationships with members of the wiki is important as it will improve yourself to knowing a lot of the community, as well as the qualities they possess into their contributions to the wiki.

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    • Hi James, I want to start off by congratulating you on your nomination!

      You truly are an asset to the DragonVale Wiki and your continued dedication is commendable.

      That being said, there is still one concern that I was hoping you could address:

      Earlier in the thread, you mentioned that you “mainly focus on the Private Message from [a staff member]” and “sometimes forget to greet users in chat” in response to Cloudymist’s post. MrAwesome8 then asked “What is one quality that you currently do not possess, but you wish that you did?” and you mentioned coding.

      I personally found this response to be quite baffling. It made it sound as if you were not sincere about your lack of communication with non-staff members being “a mistake, not on purpose, [you] can do easily in the future”.

      My belief is that communication should take precedence over coding any day. At the end of the day, staff members are community members too. We do not think of ourselves as being above regular users and do not expect special treatment in order to recognize potential.

      Lastly, I would like to clarify that this is not something “[you] can do easily in the future”. Stepping outside of one’s comfort zone will be a process. As we have already seen, your tendency to only communicate with staff members has not changed much since your last Wiki Moderator discussion which was several months ago. Why should we as a community give you the benefit of the doubt and trust that you are genuine about wanting to change your ways when your responses and actions indicate otherwise?

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    • James: much as I can see where Andy is coming from, I guess for the vast majority of the Wiki visitors, including the ones that every so often help out with edits and information, ‘real time‘ communication is a rarity, if it ever happens at all. I, for instance, have been a (very) regular Wiki visitor for more than three years, but I wouldn’t know how to set up a ‘personal chat‘, or whatever that is called, and have been in regular chat perhaps five times; three of which on accident…J Of course this has a lot to do with personal interest and, perhaps, also with being in a non-US time-zone. For me it is completely irrelevant how you behave in chat.

      What I would be interested in are two things.

      You indicate that you ask Wiki staff to help you out every once in a while when you have a question of some kind. Have you (question one) ever participated in a coordinated project with any other Wiki user, staff member or otherwise? A project would be something like the start of a new event, or a major update of the game for instance.

      Question two is something I could find out for myself, but it might be useful for other readers of this post: when someone asks you a question on your wall, what is a usual time-frame to answer this? And do you feel, as a rule, that the answer you give is satisfactorily for whoever asked the question or is it common that the two of you exchange multiple messages before the question has become both clear and answered?

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    • Smiley smiley wrote:

      James: much as I can see where Andy is coming from, I guess for the vast majority of the Wiki visitors, including the ones that every so often help out with edits and information, ‘real time‘ communication is a rarity, if it ever happens at all. 

      Although 'real time' communication may be a rarity, one should be consistent in how they conduct themselves around all community members, whether they be a staff member or not. One should also avoid abiding by a double standard whereby they only communicate with staff members and accidentally ignore everyone else. All in all, Wiki Moderators should strive to serve the community which primarily consists of non-staff members. Hopefully, James will be able to properly address this common concern.

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    • Smiley's Questions:

      Question 1: I have never participated in a coordinated project with any staff member, but I have participated in several wiki-related projects, such as the Earning Rate Variable project where we add the earning rates for every dragon in the game to decrease the amount of trouble found on the Dragon page itself. Me, Awesome, and Bane all worked on it together, but today, we are still working on it together.

      Question 2: Usually, my time-frame for answering a question on my message wall is sometimes a little late, and sometimes, on-time. Usually I am not online at the moment when a user asks me a question my message wall. While communicating with the user about the current situation on the question, it usually comes out to be satisfactory as I give the user who needs a clarification on something, say not knowing how to edit the current availability on a Limited Dragon, I state to them that to use the Dragon Variable in order to change this and not just adding the information to the page itself. Another time in August 2015, a user asked me how to add an image to their profile, I gave the user the correct code and told the user to paste it onto their profile, but unfortunately, the user was using the wrong editor, the user was using the Visual Editor, which tends to be trickier to edit than the Classic Editor. I told the user that they were using the wrong editor and there were uneccessary tabs creating the problem. After several attempts, the user got it correct and thanked me for my help. This was an example of exchanging of multiple responses as the user did not know about the Classic Editor and it took a while to figure out the correct solution. So mostly, the answers I provide are satisfactory, being clear to users and peaceful, and rarely, it takes mulitple responses to address the problem in the question.

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    • Andy's Question:

      So that the future Wiki Moderator can interact with new users that are having issues on the wiki and so that the future Wiki Moderator does not get confused on handling the situation. In the future, I will attempt to connect with other users that are not staff members by for one, if they leave comments with say Excessive Caps or Excessive Punctuation in them, then I would do my job my leaving a message on their wall to let them know that their comment has been changed. Other instances on how I will communicate with new users are to get involved, whether it's a forum discussing about things related to the game, and on Chat. Chat is a big factor of communication, as the Chat is free to anyone to use and Staff Members, and normal users are located. I will do my very best to communicate with new users in the future.

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    • AndyKhaos wrote:
      Although 'real time' communication may be a rarity, one should be consistent in how they conduct themselves around all community members, whether they be a staff member or not. One should also avoid abiding by a double standard whereby they only communicate with staff members and accidentally ignore everyone else. All in all, Wiki Moderators should strive to serve the community which primarily consists of non-staff members.
      No argument there, Andy. But rather than 'arrogant' or having a 'double standard', failing to observe what you, or Cloudymist, consider 'proper chat behavior', could as easily be called 'preoccupation' or 'concentrating on resolving a Wiki issue'. In which case no Comfort Zone needs to get left behind...
      Hopefully, James will be able to properly address this common concern.
      English is not my native tongue, but it seems that if two people share a concern it doesn't automatically make this a 'common' one. This observation isn't meant to lessen the feelings of either of these two people, just to try to keep said concern in its proper perspective.


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    • Hi Smiley, I would greatly appreciate if you left me out of this. James has shown improvement (in chat) and has taken advice, at least that's what I see. I would like to not be apart of this anymore. 

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    • Smiley smiley wrote:
      Hopefully, James will be able to properly address this common concern.
      English is not my native tongue, but it seems that if [three] people share a concern it doesn't automatically make this a 'common' one. This observation isn't meant to lessen the feelings of either of these [three] people, just to try to keep said concern in its proper perspective.

      Please note that not all users feel comfortable discussing this common concern on the forums. If someone chooses to refrain from commenting in public, we should simply respect their decision and focus on those who did. That being said, I personally feel as though James addressed this issue to the best of his ability. Best of luck!  

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    • It's past April 13, 2016 (23:59:59). So we should move on to the voting?

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    • The designated discussion period is over and the vote will begin here.

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